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First Foldback Screenshot

I wanted to go ahead and give you an idea of what the foldback output would look like compared to the congregation output. 

Picture below, is the congregations ouput on the left and the foldback output is on the right.  

Foldback Output

Foldback Output

As you can see the background, layout, and pretty much everything else can be different from the congregations view, maximizing your teams ability to see the text more clearly. 

For PowerPoint, instead of just displaying a message, we thought it might be nice for the pastor to be able see his presentation. 

PowerPoint FoldBack Preview

PowerPoint FoldBack Preview

 As I mentioned in my first foldback blog, there is the possibility to show a preview of the actual output with the thumbnails, maybe below it.  The down side is that this may impact performance of any running PowerPoint transitions.

Anyway, I need to get back to the UI.  I’ll post some more screen shots later.

add your comment29 comments so far

  • Dave says...

    One assumes the text on the foldback monitor can be made much larger?

    It would seem counter-intuitive for the foldback text to be indeed smaller than the congregation output.

    comment added May 5, 2009 @ 12:43 am

  • Jeff says...

    I think it all depends on whether or not your foldback monitor is on stage or projected.

    But yes, you can make it larger, you can make it wrap… Obviously as long as it does not wrap off the screen :).

    For that matter, you can make it look just like the congregations output, aside from moving background.

    comment added May 5, 2009 @ 1:10 am

  • Arko says...

    Will the foldback require additional ‘commands’ in the songeditor or is just the verse and the first line of the next verse displayed?

    This is a great option by the way, last few year we’ve used two EW sets (FoH and Foldback) to be able to give on stage info.

    comment added May 5, 2009 @ 8:07 am

  • Jeff says...

    Right now it uses the data you have already entered. Our original plan for foldback was to allow different data to be displayed and I believe in the EasyWorship 2010 this will be possible.

    comment added May 5, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

  • Jeremy says...

    I would like to have on computer control 2 different output projectors. Does the fold back make this more available?

    Displaying Songs on one screen and motion graphics on separate screen is my goal!

    comment added May 18, 2009 @ 12:09 am

  • Roger says...

    Currently we have a screen on the back wall that is used as the foldback display. It’s not a very big screen, so we will have to be able to have the powerpoint screen display fullscreen in order to read it. However, it is a widescreen and our main projector is 4:3. I would like to have some thumbnails display on the side of the image (ex. http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1503/mockup.gif )

    comment added May 18, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

  • Vítor says...

    With foldback, will be possible to display powerpoint notes in the third display? And will be possible to send media only for the third display, like a message to the speecher?

    comment added May 19, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

  • Jason says...

    Sorry for the slow response guys, the development team has been so busy working on 2009 they’ve had to ignore the blog. I’ll try to answer your questions as best I can…

    comment added May 22, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

  • Jason says...

    Jeremy, yes, if I understand your question correctly. The essence of foldback is that a second output can drive another projector. However, I’ll have to ask the developers about how to direct output the way you’re asking (split songs & motion graphics). Let me get back to you on this.

    comment added May 22, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

  • Jason says...

    Roger, I’ll have to check with the developers on the Powerpoint display options. In the meantime I’m curious, would it be feasible for you to buy a cheap LCD and direct (possibly even split) the output to it as well? Maybe place the LCD on stage (in podium or front of stage)? Let me get back with you on your Powerpoint display question. Thanks for your patience.

    comment added May 22, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

  • Jason says...

    Vitor, I’ll have to check with the developers about Powerpoint notes. Just curious, how do you currently use Powerpoint notes? Is it for cues to the speaker, or details about the current slide, or other?

    You can send alerts to the foldback output, which is the easiest way to communicate with the stage. Just curious, how often do you anticipate sending messages to the stage? Frequently or just occasionally?

    comment added May 22, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

  • Erik says...

    This sounds EXCELLENT!!! How would we set up the 3 monitors? Do we need a special video card? If so, what would you suggest?

    -E.D.

    comment added May 30, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

  • Brian says...

    Whew, I could’ve used that stage alert stuff a few weeks back. We had a family sing, and after the mic check the kids didn’t turn the mics off, then when they came back up they hit the power again which put them in standby. We waved our arms for like a minute and finally our choir director saw us gesture that mics 3 & 4 were off. She turned on one of them and sat down. Her husband runs the sound & lighting so he starts dimming the lights to get her attention again so she could turn the other mic on. Sigh..I can’t wait! :D

    We’re looking at getting the Honeywell Power Presenter RF for the pastor, and having the PPT slides in thumbnail view would help him tremendously. I do have a question about video cards for the foldback. We’ve of course got a dual head PCI-E card running what we have now (one for monitor, the other goes to a VGA distribution device that sends to the projector and to the two TV’s by the first pew. Of course, all the slots left are regular PCI. Can you recommend a good PCI card to use for foldback purposes? I have access to a EVGA UV12 at my office that I can test with it as well.

    comment added June 3, 2009 @ 9:30 am

  • Jeff says...

    I would recommend a the Matrox Dual Head to Go.
    http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/gxm/dh2go/

    This device takes your secondary output that is now going to the congregation and splits it into two outputs. This way you don’t have to add another card to the computer.

    comment added June 3, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

  • Kevin says...

    Can we get a few more details about the PowerPoint display? I guess I was envisioning having the current slide be larger than the rest. And since you can generally only move “forward” and “backward”, what about showing only two additional small thumbnails — one for the previous slide and one for the next slide. Perhaps have previous in the upper-left corner, next in lower-left (or lower-right???) and current larger and in the middle-right (or dead center) on the screen?

    Thanks!

    comment added June 7, 2009 @ 7:12 am

  • JasonST says...

    How video output will EW2k9 support?

    do you have a flowchart diagram or video on how to best setup EW2k9 for those of us with multiple VGA outputs. I currently do not own EW, but i think EW2k9 may be the solutions for me.
    Right now I use PPT in two Virtual Machines (vmware) simultaneously. i have two dual heads Matrox cards and route the video signals respectively.

    Seco9ndly I want to upgrade my Pc to 64-bit OS. will EW2K9 support 64-bit?

    Thanks

    comment added June 7, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

  • Brian says...

    I guess I have a question about the PPT display as well. While we’ll have our songs mostly set up in EasyWorship, more often than not we’ll have children’s songs (Awana, VBS) set up in PowerPoint. I guess those would display the same as the sermon notes. If it’s too small for them, I can probably just rewire it back to the way we’ve been running.

    comment added June 8, 2009 @ 8:39 am

  • Jeff says...

    Kevin, right now the PowerPoint foldback support is just thumbnails. My goal was to get out 2009 and then readdress other possible solutions for PowerPoint foldback support.

    comment added June 8, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

  • Jeff says...

    JasonST, getting video on the foldback will be tricky. You could use a switch so that when doing normal stuff, you let the foldback be the foldback. When doing video, you flip the switch and allow the foldback to be a mirror of the congregation output. That is what I would recommend for now.

    As far as 64bit, others have said it works but I have not tested it and personally see where it may fail. My goal after 2009 is ready is to go through the code and see what I can do to make sure it works for 64bit.

    comment added June 8, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

  • Phil Hurrell says...

    We have used easyworship for years too – an excellent product,
    Our setup means we display only 2 lines of each verse at a time so they are set up in songs as
    Chorus
    line 1
    line 2

    Line 3
    Line 4

    This forces easyworship to create 2 slides for the congregation the 1st with lines 1 and 2 and the second with lines 3 and 4 – however for foldback it would be great if it could display 1,2,3 & 4 or the whole chorus block!

    Thanks

    comment added June 23, 2009 @ 5:17 am

  • Brian says...

    I’ve got a question about how the songs will display on the foldback. For legibility purposes, we only display about 3-4 lines of text at a time, unlike the example above which has an entire verse on the screen. I’m hoping that even if we do that, the verse will display the same as your example on the foldback.

    comment added June 28, 2009 @ 11:43 am

  • Jeff says...

    The foldback will display the same information as the congregation output but formatted the way you want it, for example, wrapping, alignment, font, background…

    comment added June 28, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

  • Brian says...

    I don’t know if I explained that well enough. Here’s a screenshot I took:

    http://i39.tinypic.com/i6ktis.jpg

    We split the verses sometimes to make it easier to read on the projector, but it’s not necessary at all for the foldbacks. So you’re saying it will still only display that part of the verse on the foldback instead of the whole thing? I figured it would show the whole thing since it’s all still under a Verse tag.

    comment added June 29, 2009 @ 7:27 am

  • Jared says...

    How would the foldback work with a Notebook computer?

    comment added July 1, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

  • Jeff says...

    Basically you would need a Matrox DualHead2Go or TripleHead2Go that would split your seconday output on your portable to two outputs giving you an output on your laptop and then two outputs on your laptop monitor port.

    There are other options that allow you to plug a monitor into a USB port, the main reason I have not recommended these is that in the future these will be problematic with video mirroring.

    Anyway.

    comment added July 5, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

  • Glen E. says...

    Are there any plans to add a search feature to EW? We used to use PowerPoint for all of our songs and you could search by any words in the song. It is really difficult to only be able to search by the first line of a verse. This is the one thing that I dislike about EW. I have tried using Easy Search, that some uses wrote and added to the forum, but, it makes EW run strange sometimes, and I don’t know if it will even work with 2009. Whichever, we have stopped using it. I’m really afraid it might corrupt the database someday.

    comment added July 22, 2009 @ 12:32 am

  • Josh says...

    Jeff,

    We’re looking to do something similar to what JasonST is trying to do, so I’d be curious for other suggestions or ideas. We’ve got our congregation output on one projector and we’ve got another projector (behind the stage) with moving backgrounds, scenic images, etc.. We’re traditionally done this with another computer and another operator. I’d love to change the “Backgrounds” display along with the songs and consolidate all into one computer/operator.

    I actually came to the site today to find out if it was something EasyWorship could handle for us and found out about the new release!

    Thanks.

    comment added August 17, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

  • Matt Jones says...

    Oh and when is ’09 being officially released?
    I heard ‘this week’… last week.

    comment added September 8, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

  • Derek says...

    Thank you for a great product.I am still concerned about monitor outputs. Dual head card gives you two outputs, one for control screen and one for congregation. You would need a separate output for foldback wouldn’t you? Presently we split the congregation output to two projectors, one for front, one for rear, and second monitor on desk for operator.

    comment added September 10, 2009 @ 1:30 am